Pacific Beach Housing Bubble Blog

Friday, February 02, 2007

Another Lemming Takes a Drop

1516 Missouri St Unit 4
San Diego, CA. 92109

3 bdrm, 3 bath, 1265 sqft condo
1 tandem parking spot (bleh)
Year Built: 1987
HOA: $225

Purchase Price (01/06): $675,000
Asking Price: $625,000


I have to admire this flipper for actually trying to sell his place for a significant amount less rather than the typical 5k discounts everyone else just tries to put up. If only it was worth that much. I was doing some thinking lately as I was checking out a new complex that has 3bdrm 2 bath condos in PB that they have "discounted" the price on to about $650k. A place like this is exactly what a middle class income earner should be able to purchase. It's a condo, it's not big, but it's just big enough to have small family. A middle class individual should be able to afford it. Now if the median salary in San Diego is 65k (last number that I heard, might be off), and you have two working adults pulling in that much. Your takehome after taxes is going to be about $6,000 a month combined. Now if you somehow had immaculate credit and 5% down (over 30k + closing mind you), your HOA fees + mortgage + property tax is going to come to just over $5,000 a month. Granted you get to write off the interest portion of all that, but that is still only going to leave your median family with about $1500-$2000 a month for everything else.

That's car payments, home improvements, any entertainment, child care expenses (day care because you both work), food, and anything else that might come up. Have we just evolved into a family unfriendly place? Scratch that, has every single major metropolitan area evolved into a family unfriendly place because it wasn't just San Diego that had this boom. I don't buy it. We're still far from the bottom. I believe that anyone who thinks we may have bottomed just hasn't taken an objective look at the real estate market.


Purchase Price $675,000.00
Sale Price $625,000.00
Association Dues $225.00
Holding Period(mo) 12
Mortgage Paid $43,875.00 (6.5% interest only)
Closing Costs $4,000.00
Property Tax $8,437.50
Estimated Monthly Rent $2,000.00
Estimated Monthly Loss $1,560.63 (if rented)
Estimated Monthly Tax Savings $1,023.75 (using 28% tax rate)
Sales Commission $37,500.00



Total Loss $110,227.50


On a side note, I'm thinking about improving my rent vs own calculator. Any ideas on what I could add to it? Oh I've also gotten some feedback that 28% tax rate is a little too conservative. I'm going to be revisiting my spreadsheet to try to make some improvements. If you have any other feedback, please write in with it.

8 Comments:

  • Nice summation of the madness Sven.

    It really is unfair considering the causes of this run up in prices was textbook with low interest and lacks lending standards.

    I really got a kick out of "1 tandem parking spot (bleh)"

    To all developers / architects: "I got your Tandem Parking right here!"

    Idiots!

    By Blogger bub, at 6:17 PM  

  • Nice post. When I was receiving daily e-mails with new entries to the mls, I saw this place listed. The description said that it was a short sale and that it needed to be close quickly (I guess that didn't happen). I also seem to recall that it mentioned that all of the units could be bought together (so I don't know if one person owns all of the units). I think there are 4 units here. Anyways, this was all like 4 months ago and I remember riding my bike past this place and not seeing any for sale sign out front or anything. A short sale that needs to go through fast and not placing a "for sale" sign out front??!!

    Also, there is newly re-done place for sale on this same block (same side of the street as well). This place has a "home" in the front yard with several "condos" in the back. I believe they were all for sale and I have seen that people have moved in to at least one unit in the back but that the front "house" is still vacant (granite counters and all). This place has been for sale FOREVER and has sat vacant for 6 months+. Think of the holding costs...money down the drain!

    And then one or two places down is another multi-unit place that had a "house" and some "condos" for sale in the back. It sat for a while but then the for sale sign came down and a military guy seems to be living in the front house and has built out a deck and a fence (wow, really increasing the value when the rest of the place looks like a dump). I wonder what all these people paid and how much they are going to regret it in a few years when the resets, property taxes, HOAs start causing more pain...Oh yea and then other units in the same area will be selling for 25% less and the real pain will be felt. I hope I win my office super bowl pool!

    Keep up the great work!

    By Anonymous Craig, at 1:52 PM  

  • Sven,

    Put a link to your calculator on the sidebar. I saw a thread on a different blog where they were talking about rent vs. buy calculations. I would have linked to you if I could have.

    Also, I agree, we are nowhere near the bottom. If that condo goes for 4 times earnings, it should be under $400,000.

    By Blogger IrvineRenter, at 6:07 PM  

  • $625k for a 1265 sq. ft. condo?? What is a buyer thinking when they purchase a condo with limited space and parking for 625k? Are they thinking? Just complete madness. I have better things to spend my money on, such as food and my retirement, as opposed to giving my money to a flipper to pay their retirement.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:44 PM  

  • Sven,

    Love your blog. Please, please keet it up.

    This property reminds me of what could have been, but luckily wasnt.

    I used to live in PB and i want to return. Bought in 1999. Back in 2003 i returned to the USA and saw a for sale sign on the townhome unit next door (1400sqft 3bed 2.5bath 2car tandem garage). Typical 4 unit PB McMansion wannabe. Uopn inquiry, they guy wanted $535,000. OUTRAGEOUS !!! I thought. Someone would be crazy to buy the place for that.

    ---hmmmmm--- (me reflecting back in 2003).....well then, i'd be crazy not to sell if someone were to pay me that, right ? ---hmmmmmmm--- (reflecting complete). So i sold. Full asking price.

    Invested the monies elsewhere and im waiting to buy back in PB debt free.

    Keep up the good work. PB is a great place to live !!! Your blog is the 100% best analysis of the actual market. Im tired of those RE talking heads "now is the best time to buy" crap.

    Maybe i missed the "best time to sell" by 12 months, but you do have some examples which show late 2003 - 2004 was a peak for some properties.

    Fantastic work.

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